http://www.911myths.com/index.php?title=Salem_al-Hazmi_still_alive%3F&feed=atom&action=historySalem al-Hazmi still alive? - Revision history2024-03-28T21:25:37ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.22.7http://www.911myths.com/index.php?title=Salem_al-Hazmi_still_alive%3F&diff=9887&oldid=prevMike at 19:01, 29 June 20122012-06-29T19:01:19Z<p></p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>Soon after the attacks, reports began to appear suggesting that some of the alleged hijackers included on the first FBI list were incorrect. And these reports are still cited today as evidence that they are "still alive", although when you look at the details they're rarely convincing. Here's what the Telegraph wrote about Salem al-Hazmi, for instance. <br />
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<div class="boilerplate metadata" id="" style="{{divstyleamber}}"><center><b></b></center>Mr Al-Hamzi is 26 and had just returned to work at a petrochemical complex in the industrial eastern city of Yanbou after a holiday in Saudi Arabia when the hijackers struck. He was accused of hijacking the American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon.<br />
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He said: "I have never been to the United States and have not been out of Saudi Arabia in the past two years." The FBI described him as 21 and said that his possible residences were Fort Lee or Wayne, both in New Jersey.<br>[http://web.archive.org/web/20030119172120/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml Daily Telegraph (Web Archive copy)]</div><br />
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<br>This man has a different name, al-Hamzi instead of al-Hazmi (although that could be a typo, it's a mixup we've made frequently). He also has a different age, has never been to America, and doesn’t mention the allegations about his brother, Nawaf. Perhaps he doesn’t have a brother of that name?. Not exactly convincing proof that he’s the same person. <br />
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A Washington Post article is of little help:<br />
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{{divbox|amber||'''Confusion Over Hijackers' Names Hindering Investigation'''<br />
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The FBI, evidently aware of the need for more precision, has added initials where available to updated lists of the hijackers. For instance, the bureau said in a report to federal banking authorities that the terrorist originally identified as "Salem Alhazmi" was Salem M.S. Alhazmi.<br />
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The original listing prompted a Salem Ibrahim Ahmed Alhazmi, who works at a government-owned petrochemical complex in Saudi Arabia, to step forward and say that he had never been to the United States. He also said his passport had been stolen by a pickpocket on a trip to Cairo three years ago.<br />
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[Chief of the Saudi Embassy's information office] Allagany said he is still counting this Alhazmi as someone whose identity had been stolen. He did not consider the difference in middle names and initials between Salem Ibrahim Ahmed Alhazmi and Salem M.S. Alhazmi to be persuasive.<br>'''Washington Post, Oct 7, 2001'''}}<br />
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Now we have a full name, and it doesn't match that provided for the hijacker. Whether the Saudis found that "persuasive" or not, it doesn't help the case for them being the same person.<br />
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Meanwhile other articles appear to suggest there was a hijacker, another person altogether, who had a brother Nawaf, and has gone missing.<br />
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<div class="boilerplate metadata" id="" style="{{divstyleamber}}"><center><b></b></center>Salem (Salim) AlHazmi: 21 from the holy city of Makka, younger brother of Nawaf. He left with his brother Nawaf March 2000 to Afghanistan. He was on American Airlines #77 that crashed into the Pentagon.<br>http://web.archive.org/web/20031026101720/http://www.arabianews.org/english/article.cfm?qid=12&sid=6</div><br />
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<br>Here the Saudi Information Agency talk about the hijacker as having the correct name, and the right age, with a brother Nawaf, who had left the country “in the past two years”. But what about his family?<br />
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{{divbox|amber||THE father of two young Saudi men suspected of involvement in the hijack of one of the aeroplanes that attacked World Trade Center in New York doubted his sons' involvement in the attack. He said the pictures of the two published by American security agencies were fake and do not even resemble his sons. <br />
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Muhammad Salim Al-Hazmi, father of the two suspects, Nawaf and Salim Muhammad Al-Hazmi, said that the published photos may be doctored or faked somehow...<br />
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Al-Hazmi continued, "As a father, I have a feeling that the two of them are still alive and unhurt, and will come back home in the near future when the truth is uncovered and the real culprits are found." <br>http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/saudigazette092301.html}}<br />
The main concern here appears to be the photos, but the odd thing is that the FBI didn’t release their full photo list until [http://web.archive.org/web/20011001123059/http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel01/092701hjpic.htm a few days after this report]. So what is Muhammad Salim Al-Hazmi commenting on? Were some of the images released earlier, and the FBI list on the 27th was just an official release of the complete set? Or did he see images that were obtained by the media, possibly in error, as happened with the case of Said al-Ghamdi?<br />
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We don’t know the answer to that, however what’s more relevant to this claim is that both of these reports appeared at more or less the same time. If the first Al-Hamzi is still alive, then why is his father talking as though both his sons are missing? And not pointing out that they (or at least one of them) have never been to the US? The simplest explanation, as previously, is that the two reports refer to different people, and there’s certainly no real proof that the individual alleged to be the hijacker is still alive.<br />
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And sure enough, some months later Saudi Arabia finally accepted that the list of hijackers was correct:<br />
{{divbox|amber||Saudi Arabia acknowledged for the first time that 15 of the Sept. 11 suicide hijackers were Saudi citizens... <br />
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Previously, Saudi Arabia had said the citizenship of 15 of the 19 hijackers was in doubt despite U.S. insistence they were Saudis. But Interior Minister Prince Nayef told The Associated Press that Saudi leaders were shocked to learn 15 of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.<br />
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"The names that we got confirmed that," Nayef said in an interview. "Their families have been notified."<br>http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2002/02/06/saudi.htm}}</div>Mike